It would have been hilarious if you just re-posted the Midnight Screening you guys did for The Phantom Menace 3D again. I'm hoping to see it tomorrow, but I don't mind spoilers.
Now that I've seen it - and without spollers - I really liked it! I didn't come out of the theatre as fucking "hell yeah" pumped as I did from Mad Max, or even Pacific Rim, but I was glad I watched it, I felt my life had been improved slightly by it existing, and it feels like the franchise is finally back on track again.
Two small things I noticed, which I don't THINK are real spoilers, but you might not want to know.
1.) Why is the Resistance not affiliated with the Republic? I thought, as extensions of the original Rebel Alliance, the two were synonymous - the Rebellion effectively became the military arn of the fledgling New Republic. Is that not the case? Why? Didn't see the point of that.
2.) While the story and pacing of the prequels sucked, nobody can deny that the music was FANTASTIC, and I didn't feel that way about this soundtrack. There weren't any new standout leitmotifs and themes that I can remember, though it did make the OT music sound great.
1. I think the idea is that the Republic have a non-aggression treaty with the Order. So the Resistance formed instead, with under-the-table support from the Republic.
The opening crawl really should have addressed the new power structure. It's probably in some tie-in book, but that doesn't fucking count.
I thought it was said (more or less) in the film that the New Republic basically only pretended not to be affiliated with the Resistance so they could disavow their actions and not enter open war with The First Order but was providing them with support. TFO knew the two were connected and that the Republic was allowing the Resistance to exist and operate, but the Republic would say, "No, these people are operating entirely on their own, we're neutral in this conflict and if you attempt to attack us you'll have to deal with our Fleet."
Oh boy - a fresh face! Hi Adam.... hope you survive these knuckleheads! ;)
He's waaaay too dtf.
Once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny
Is it me, or does Adam seem DTF the whole time while Irving just wants to talk about the movie? :)
Am I the only person who was underwhelmed by TFA? It was literally a remake of ANH.
No you weren't. It's entertaining in a fan film nostalgic sort of way, but it isn't really Star Wars. It's Star Wars. The Reboot and feels more like a product generator than anything George Lucas could ever dream up. When one a year pops out and the PT killed my childhood brigade stop believing that George Lucas understands star wars less than they do it will all look very hollow. The truth is very simple Star Wars ended with the rebels winning in Return of The Jedi and the reason the prequels were made is because the story arch was complete. The Force Awakens is "let's ignore everything and just do the OT with some twists". This is what J.J. Abrams does. He works on the principle that a certain percentage of older viewers want what they grew up with and people will get behind the commercial juggernaut it if delivers a few bangs, sticks to the emotional beats and looks sort of classy. He's basically like those slowed down acoustic versions of well worn old pop songs in that what he does is different and familiar at the same time. plus pushes a lachrymose cleaned up nostalgic sentimentality for childhood/adolescence that never was.
By George Lucas' creativity you mean cut and copy parts of Akira Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress, Frank Herbert's Dune, Jack Kirby's Fourth World Mythos, and Flash Gordon.
No, you werent. I was disappointed with this. I was enjoying it for the most part for about the first third. After that the amount of little niggles and sheer amount of retreading became too much and it lost me. It's a shame too because I found some of the performances and the atmosphere quite entertaining. I just stopped caring.
I feel like Dave said a few things that could horribly taken out of context in this video lol
It's a good movie. I want to make that clear before painting a target on my back.
But it plays it very, very safe. It gives you exactly what you expect going in and not much else. There are zero surprises in this movie. A good movie gives an audience exactly what they want, a great movie gives an audience something they never knew they wanted.
There's literally a checklist of recycled stuff from the originals that start off endearing, but end up being tiresome by the end credits. I won't spoil it here, but there's pretty much all the iconic moments from the OT literally just recreated.
I feel like a just watched a remake, not a sequel. It's basically a New Hope just with lots of the names changed. I think it's weird that when the prequels rather conveniently bring all the characters from the original together again, people call it forced and contrived, but people like it here. My favorite part of the movie by far is the beginning when it's just Fin and Ray. I didn't see any of Han Solo here, I saw Harrison Ford in his old costume. But I can't say I'm angry with him about that, Harrison Ford ran out of fucks to give some time in the Clinton administration, everybody knows that.
Going into this movie, I had this fear that this would be a movie defined by what it's not. That it's only goal would be to not be the prequels, but not have much direction or ambition beyond that. And I think that's true to an extent. There thankfully wasn't the wink-wink-nudge-nudge "subtle" jabs at the prequels like I was afraid there would be, but it did seem like they were afraid of angering the nastier portion of this fanbase. You know, the crowd that sent hate mail to a 10 year old. Say what you want about the prequels, but at least they had the ambition to try to tell a bigger, grander story than a ragtag group of rebels blowing a big bad thing up yet again. So what's better, a different, ambitious story executed lukewarmly or a completely standard and recycled story executed perectly?
"So what's better, a different, ambitious story executed lukewarmly or a completely standard and recycled story executed perectly?"
A) To call the prequel trilogy "executed lukewarmly" is rather overselling how well it was executed.
B) Star Wars was already a completely standard and recycled story. It has always been a 'classical' tale but in space.
C) This movie felt more like it was setting the scene for a large part of it ready for the future movies. It took a safe structure and plot which allowed you to get used to the characters and show off their talents of the characters and the actors behind them, while reassuring fans that it wasn't going to be another fiasco or end up being a highlander 2. I feel JJ will experiment more with the next two now it's set up, but we shall see.
Yeah, Irving, about that Fantastic Beasts book. It's literally a textbook talking about the beasts. There is not a story. The closest it gets are the scribbled notes Harry, Ron, and Hermionie put in. So, this movie is literally a mystery for everybody.
I'm so taking Irving's word for not checking spoilers online to make the movie experience of watching The Force Awakens more enjoyable.
Also please bring him to Chipmunks movie it'll be good to not see you watching it alone and also make it as entertaining as the 90 mins in Heaven review. And I really like that review.
I think Brad mentioned that him and Allison are going to see that.
No way! Take Irving instead! If not take Dave, Brian or Ryan at least. Don't torture Violet any further.
YES. Thank you, Dave.
Glad you guys loved it. I did too. Best way to describe it? It's the first real Star Wars movie since Return Of The Jedi. This FEELS like a Star Wars movie. And that is awesome.
Great, fun time watching the movie! RIP (you know who!)
Hey Brad, you forgot to put it in the front page of your site!
Something is constantly moving in the back seat.
One of Brads cats?? One time it looked like a hand, but why would someone lie in the back seat while a video is being made and make random hand movements... Or is it a dog, maybe?
Is that Sarah creepin' in the backseat?
Let her in on the conversation, boys!
Anyway, JJ Abrams was in a position here to troll people on an epic scale. Imagine if Jar Jar had been in the movie, like, for the whole fucking thing. Theaters across the world would be enraged. It would have been kind of awesome.
Who WOULDN'T love a soulless rehash of A New Hope with bullshit feminist pandering and 'diversity' added in? At least Harrison Ford finally got what he wanted. Should have happened at the end of Empire.
This is a friggen outer space movie, of course there should diversity, Chewbacca is not a white guy anyway.
Why would a white guy be a default human characters, have fun with your sausage parties
"This movie has a woman in the lead role."
"WHAT??!! That's bullshit feminist pandering!! They... they want to steal my balls, they want to cut them off!"
"Err, aren't you just..."
"No, seriously, help me hide my balls, please! Please!"
Yeah, that's why. It's not that she's a woman for no other reason than to be OP and defeat the grandson of Force fucking Jesus at light sabers when she's never held a light saber to get points from SJW media. And to repeatedly tell Finn, an actually interesting character, that she don't need no help from him cause she's a strong independent womyn.
Also she's a fuck-terrible actress. But sure, there's nothing blatantly pandering about it. I'd be more offended if I were a woman, you sophomoric cunt.
You find Finn intersting? You must be a anti-White SJW.
That's right, derp, I'm a racist because I don't like insultingly trying to fill quotas rather than casting whoever is best for the role.
Yeah, Finn is easily the most interesting character in the movie.
Typical Zionist propaganda.
/pol/, /b/, or reddit, go back to one of them. Don't care which.
I'll stick with real websites like Stormfront thank you very much.
Another perfectly acceptable shithole for you to fuck off back to
They have a nice thread about European architecture that i check out now and then. Not everything is mean spirited stuff there.
"And to repeatedly tell Finn, an actually interesting character, that she don't need no help from him cause she's a strong independent womyn."
Right, it's not because he's some stranger who showed up out of nowhere and clearly still doesn't know how to function outside being a stormtrooper. It's all the CommuNaziFemSpiracy. That blank slate guy who was raised in a cult has MUCH more personality.
"no other reason than to be OP and defeat the grandson of Force fucking Jesus at light sabers when she's never held a light saber" Because why should the Force help people.. unless it's helping people because of who their grandpappy was.
'The Force did it' has been a great excuse since describing total retardation in the prequels, great defense.
Yes, he's a better actor and has flaws and vulnerabilities, which is what makes a character likeable. Rey has nothing except politically-driven 'capable, independent woman' bullshit.
The point is Kylo Ren knows how to fight with a lightsaber, he isn't some trash scavenger. Again, she won for no other reason than to win brownie points with the identity politics crowd. She should have lost but just barely survived, so that she could have a fucking character arc in the next movie, unlike this one.
As opposed to "Ren has to be better, because DNA"?
She 'won' because of the earthquake (fight was getting to a stand-still before that)... and Ren faltering from who he killed five minutes earlier - y'know, while we're talking about character arcs.
"brownie points with the identity politics crowd"
I'm curious about how you survived watching the original movie, without Leia making your head pop a vessel.
Something tells me you wouldn't have complained if Rey just were a pretty face in a sexy dress.
And if it were a full caucasian cast.
No rant about "bullshit sexism" or "bullshit racism" then, I'm sure.
But maybe this is a total misunderstanding and we are talking about two totally different movies anyway, because you said Ridley was a "fuck-terrible acress". So I guess you come from a parallel universe where her portrayal of Rey was NOT fucking amazing. Possible, I guess, so I apologize. :-)
'sprays can of troll repellent'......Shoo, Bro. Back under your bridge.....
Clearly this is a FAT troll, because you have all fed him VERY well.
Rey seems very capable with her staff, I'm sure a lightsaber is not that hard to adjust to
It's fine that the protag is a woman, strong and independent like the fem's like 'em. But feminism or not, Rey remains a bullshit character. Anakin and Luke wanted to get away from all manners of desert in favor of adventures, and did so while fucking up. It kept their struggles interesting (less so in Anakin's case). Compare that with Rey and her desire to maintain the status quo. She don't need no man, or Books, schematics, theory, practice, critique, failures, or a sense of humor. She adjusted to every situation and outperformed everyone, including those with far more impressive CV's. What is Luke going to teach her? People skills? Gimme a break and gimme my arc.
Okay, I haven't even seen the movie, and I know that Rey's arc is finding her own identity and place in the world. Luke and Anakin were also very, very skilled and did things well in their respective first films. Luke fucking blew up the goddamn Deathstar and Anakin was a 10 year old pilot fighting during an intense space battle. And learning to work with people is totally a valid arc as well.
If it makes me a sexist and a racist to point out that a character is written deliberately poorly and is profoundly uninteresting just to cater to an upper-middle class identity politics agenda, then I'm a sexist and a racist. Although Finn and Po Dameron were my favorite characters and the movie should have been about them.
Doesn't make Rey an interesting or relatable character, doesn't make it okay that she suddenly knows what a Jedi mind trick is even though that character would have no idea what that was, and it doesn't make it any less stupid that she can beat up four guys with no problem just to prove she don't need help from no man. Not because she's a woman, but because nobody can beat up four guys with no problem. And because she's a particularly tiny, waifish woman. That scene would have worked much better if Finn had helped even the odds and fought alongside her, establishing a dynamic between the two characters the way we did earlier with Finn and Po Dameron before basically throwing that in the trash so Rey could become the newest Disney Princess.
We spend A New Hope learning about Luke, who he is, and what he wants, and the push and pull between his desire to leave and have his own life and his duties to his home. He then spends his adventure mostly fucking up and being a burden to everybody. The things he can do, such as his piloting and shooting skills, are set up. The one thing he does with the Force to any effect is directly set up in the famous training sequence. Rey has none of that. She seems perfectly happy on Jakku, she can do things because of the plot and the Force, and the garbage about her family only comes up in the last two thirds of the movie. She effortlessly overcomes every challenge in front of her and knows things she should not and would not know. This is not an interesting character, but please, keep hurling trendy buzzwords at me because it lets you avoid the truth.
And please understand this; the reason she could never have defeated Kylo Ren is because he knows how to use a lightsaber and has been trained in the Force. She doesn't, and in the end of that fight she suddenly starts whirling and pirrouetting because plot convenience. There is no indication in the movie that it bothers him to kill Han Solo. Although he's a godawful villain anyway, but that's another issue. The script is fundamentally flawed because she wins. That's not how you end the first part of a series like this. She needs to lose so that she can win later.
I promise that someday, a woman will fuck you because you support this histrionic feminist bullshit. Keep strong.
I saw this movie with a woman btw and she disliked it for the same reasons I do. She's white, though, so I guess you can still call me a racist to avoid the truth.
Sigh... Why am I wasting my time with this...? I really shouldn't.
OK, here, very briefly and in a nutshell, the main reasons why you are not as smart as you think, even with the word "super" in your name:
- What the hell makes you think you know what Rey can or can not know? You don't know her backstory. You don't know her education, training and so on. You don't know the stories and legend being told about the force.
- Unrealistic that she can defeat four guys? Sure! It's a movie. It's an action movie. Betcha never complained about John McClain beating up a whole building full of terrorists. That was OK, because he has a dick, right? Then it's OK, right?
- She seemed happy to you on Jakku? All throughout the movie we are reminded that she wants to go back there because she is desparately waiting for someone. In the beginning we see her make marks on the wall for every day.
- Luke beating Vader, who was a trained Jedi from childhood on, also made not much sense. It's a fairytale. The force is magic. Maybe this just isn't your genre.
- It's really sweet that you watched this movie with your mom.
- You really ARE speaking the truth, I guess, because you mentioned it two times. :-D However, I watched this movie with a group of Oscar-awarded screenwriters and professors of film science and movie logic, and THEY agree that "The Force Awakens" rocks. Go figure.
'What the hell makes you think you know what Rey can or can not know? You don't know her backstory. You don't know her education, training and so on. You don't know the stories and legend being told about the force.'
I don't know who or what she is outside the context of the film and it doesn't matter because she's fictional. Also the film is the story we're watching, so we need to get all the knowledge required to do so. What I do know that she's clearly established as a scavenger and not someone who knows anything about space magic. If she does, that needs to be vaguely set up. When she talks to Han Solo about the Jedi, it's just as a myth or legend. Again, the one thing Luke does with the Force in A New Hope is clearly set up and paid off. Suddenly having a character knowing how to use a very specific magic trick without having set it up or establishing that there's any reason she would even know what that was is terrible writing. You can say 'you don't know what happened in that character's past' to excuse any garbage writing. That isn't how narrative storytelling works. By that time, we should know enough for that not to be the completely random garbage that it is.
'Unrealistic that she can defeat four guys? Sure! It's a movie. It's an action movie. Betcha never complained about John McClain beating up a whole building full of terrorists. That was OK, because he has a dick, right? Then it's OK, right?'
Have you seen Die Hard? John McClane gets his ass kicked through that whole movie, and during the only real hand to hand combat in the movie he has horrible trouble beating one guy. Rey barely gets touched by four, because we can't have the Disney Princess get bloodied or scarred or have any weaknesses or failures like real people do. And as a police officer, he's much better-trained and more fit than Rey would be, given her character.
The great thing about that movie, and the thing that destroys the character of Rey and why Finn should have been the main character, is that John McClane is basically an ordinary guy in an awful situation and he's fucking terrified and can't really deal with it. But he rises through struggles, adversity, and his own weaknesses and mistakes to overcome the odds. Rey doesn't do this because she has no problems doing anything.
'She seemed happy to you on Jakku? All throughout the movie we are reminded that she wants to go back there because she is desparately waiting for someone. In the beginning we see her make marks on the wall for every day.'
It's never made clear that she wants to go back because she's waiting for someone, or that this is why she's making the marks until it's way too late. And yeah, she seems great. She slides down sand dunes and has a great time, gets all goofy putting a helmet on while noshing some chow, and she doesn't even want a 'cute' little robot (he didn't do anything for me) fucking up her place. She seems to know and be on alright terms with the locals, like that guy who netted BB8. And it also makes no sense that she wouldn't sell BB8 when selling him would be a remedy to the one problem she does have; not getting paid enough by that stingy fucker, and a scene before she didn't even want him to come with her. I could have accepted that she's lonely and decides she wants him as a friend, but the film never does even the smallest thing to set that up, because the script was too focused on how great Rey is.
'Luke beating Vader, who was a trained Jedi from childhood on, also made not much sense. It's a fairytale. The force is magic. Maybe this just isn't your genre.'
Luke didn't beat Vader. Vader toyed with him and cut his fucking arm off, and would have murdered him if he had refused his offer. The only reason he didn't kill him is because he was trying to convert him to the Dark Side. Ren just wanted to kill Rey. Luke didn't win until Jedi (which also kind of sucks but that's at least a pretty good part) when he just pounded Vader with his sword. Vader also realized then that the Emperor was trying to convert Luke to the Dark Side and it's conceivable he might have held back. We have none of that with Rey.
Any other shitty arguments about your terrible new waifu?
I should make it clear that I WAS trolling way back in my very first post, because people who get anal about muh feminism and muh diversity are fun. I have actually seen the movie now. I certainly expected it to be stupid and sleek and empty and not hold up to any close scrutiny, because that's JJ Abrams. But I at the very least expected it to be entertaining, or at least not quite as horribly boring as it was. I didn't hate it though. It was a very technically well-made film and I liked all the real stuff they did quite a bit.
Finn and especially Po Dameron were both great, although I find it a little hard to accept that Finn would start wantonly murdering all the people he grew up with and not have even a little trouble with it. But the script is just garbage, particularly
Rey's character. And Daisy Ridley isn't quite fuck-terrible, but she isn't good. It also has no solid villain. Ren is a joke. I like what they were trying to do with his character, but in a big space adventure series like Star Wars, you need a big, menacing villain and plucky, noble heroes. At least we almost had the latter, even if they were pushed to the side for some teenage girl I didn't give a fuck about. Domhnall Gleason looks like he's from Space Balls.
Really a horrible disappointment for me in almost every way. I'm glad everyone else got enjoyment out of it though.
I have to give you credit for two things.
First, you actually bring up a bunch of solid arguments. (I still disagree, though.)
Second... Congrats. You trolled me. I should have been smarter.
I would be mad about Dave spoiling Han Solo Death, but some random troll did it already on something that is not Star Wars related.
How could ANYBODY not figure that out? He should have died at the end of Empire before the series started being a massive pussy.
I always assume Brad just gonna spoils movies anyway
GREAT! Now how's Chewy going to get home for Life Day?!
I shared some of the criticisms about comparisons to A New Hope, but like you guys overall really loved the movie despite it's flaws. The acting and characters really helped as well. I don't think I would've liked this movie anywhere near as much if not for that.
I felt like Kylo Ren was exactly the type of villain George Lucas was TRYING to make Anakin into in Episodes 2 and 3 - Young, tortured, super strong with the Force, but completely unfocused and full of rage and therefore easily manipulated. Here it's fully realized and shows you what could've been.
That moment when The Force Awakens isn't showing in any of my local theaters... but Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip is.
I was not disappointed nor that impressed, I got what I expected, a servicable action movie, with fanservice, and sequel baiting. It started it strong, than it go through the motions with a retread.
JJ as expected wallow with nostalgia, with a few minor updates (such having other humans than White males) Though it looked nice with their sets and effects, Lightsaber fights are more simpler and effective than the prequels. I like the new characters, Harrison Ford was great, though I thought Han and Leia were much less needed than Luke.
I mean this movie is no Mad Max Fury Road, that movie up the stakes more interestingly than just a bigger doomsday weapon like most blockbuster movies.
The beginning showed more potential as show different aspects to the universe which is why I'm gonna be patient for more interesting movies that shows other aspects of the Star Wars settings, like Star Trek does with their other series.
Also this just something I more understand or not, but the politics and ideological debates of Jedi and Sith was always vague and confusing for me to follow that well, I would rather be a neutral grey jedi or something instead. Though why these people even that important to the galaxy anyway anymore, the Empire didn't really need Vader before that much anyway, he was just a competent trooper to me.
Though keep in mind I was not raised on Star Wars, I have a casual interest in it, I got my Joseph Campbell epic fix from Airbender (which I'm sure their writers were fans of Star Wars) and I got my sci fi action this year from TellTales games Tales From The Borderlands with had a far better plot to me anyway.
So sure I had fun, but it's just not that amazing to me. Fans were squees with sure whatever I'm not gonna be mean to them for having fun.
am i the only one who's tired of the ragging on the prequels?
the cgi looks like it's cgi'd? the effects from the original trilogy look like they're just effects
the fight scenes looked rehearsed? so do most fight scenes by heavily trained people, especially in movies
Jar Jar was annoying. so was C3PO
granted, the middle of the prequel trilogy is shit, but that doesn't ruin all 3
Ok, if there's one video that I'm pretty sure it's ok to rag on the prequels,it's a video in which a new movie in the same series is being reviewed.
Also, while original effects may look like just effects to you, they atleast look like something that's physically there and not a cartoon. People on screen can actually interact with them and it feels like part of the universe.
Fight scenes rehearsed? Yeah, all things are rehearsed. It's called choreography. But the trick is to make you feel like it isn't rehearsed, that it's actually a fight going on, which is what it's supposed to be. The prequel fights look like a cartoon ballet. This movie it looks like people want to kill eachother.
As for C3PO. Well, that's your opinion. I don't find him annoying. But even if I did, there's annoying, and then there's Jar Jar annoying. C3PO and Jar Jar are both comic reliefs. One I laughed at, and the other steps in animal shit and has a voice that sounds like Doug E. Doug dropping acid and inhaling helium. 2 movies having a comic relief doesn't suddenly make all comic reliefs in the series ok.
The Phantom Menace has nearly as many practical effects as this one, bigger sets and nearly as much miniature work as the OT.
To be honest I'm sort of with Anon. To me a lot of the real problem with the PT films is that the audience had gone from being little kids mythologizing the series to teenagers who hated the fact George Lucas always saw Star Wars as children's films. I thought this one was entertaining, but really it's mostly down to nostalgia and age. It's sort of the cover band version of Star Wars. Personally, I didn't find Jar Jar Binks much more annoying than C3PO.
The worst thing about the prequels is that sense of character got lost in the "there's been a disturbance in sub section 3 of the trade agreement and the Jedi must mount a diplomatic initiative" script which was way more detailed and far more boringly adult than kids needed to be put through. . On the other hand, I sort of think showing the Jedi to be elitist and complicit in their own downfall was interesting. To be even more honest, I actually think the franchising of movies is mostly a bad idea anyway. There's very few instances where the quality doesn't dip and the whole isn't diminished. When Disney have done with it a new Star Wars will probably be as special as the umpteenth Cars Sequel.
Anyway the PT films had the best Lego.
"The Phantom Menace has nearly as many practical effects as this one." And then they splooged as much shitty CGI over the screen as they could to where it didn't make any bit of difference what practical effects they used.
As someone who still loves a lot of movies I grew up with, and recognizes a lot of faults in them, not to mention still to this day can find some love in really cheesy newer movies that not a lot of people like; it honestly really offends me when people diminish mine or anyone else's legitimate criticisms of the prequel trilogy to "oh you're just not 5 years old anymore."
If you like those movies, fine, you can have them, they're yours. But someone popping up and saying some shit like "yeah, well, the other movies had effects too" is one of the absolute dumbest things I've read in these Star Wars comments so far. As if I'm not allowed to judge them on quality, and I'm suddenly supposed to like the prequels because "I liked the effects in this movie = I now have to like all movies that have effects ever, not matter what kind they are." Or even "I like practical effects = I now I have to like all movies that have practical effects, even if it's over shadowed with CGI splooge." Or "I didn't like the CGI in this movie = I now have to hate literally every movie with CGI in it ever."
By the way, there was some CGI that I hated in Force Awakens. But I could still recommend the movie, because there were other great qualities.
Don't get me wrong, there is nitpicky BULLSHIT that goes on with any film like this. I see it with this film, even the prequels, as well as any movie that comes out with heavy roots in geek fandom. All you need to do is go to the ain't it cool talkbacks and you'll find a hive of scum and overnitpicking garbage like you've never seen in your life.
But lumping all criticism in with "oh, well, you're just nitpicking, or you're just not 5 anymore, or you're just jumping on the hate wagon" is just dumb and dismissive.
Now if you'll excuse me, it's my birthday, and I'm not going to spend it here reading about how I shouldn't hate the prequels because it was in color, and some movies I like are in color, so I shouldn't criticize it because it's in color.
happy birthday Brad
sorry if i came off as trying to start an argument or something
Aside from Happy Birthday,
I will add that by the time they came out I wasn't that interested in Star Wars and didn't watched the prequels until fairly recently when my son showed an interest. The new one to me just seemed very like the first one and not quite as much fun as Guardians of the Galaxy. .
You are not. I took off my nostalgia goggles for the prequels and they were a fun ride. I don't get the hate on for the prequels.
This movie was way too eager to please fans.
The opening scene should have been a close up of Jar Jars' s face staring directly into the camera for 2 full minutes.
Happy Birthday Brad! Thank you for not dying (even though sometimes you were trying really hard, what with taking headers off your porch and slamming your feet in car doors).
But really ....thank you very much for another year of addictive entertainment..... and all the hard work and horrible-movie-watching behind it. :)
I have to disagree Brad I loved it and it belongs in the top 10, hell the top 5. One of the few movies I think that might edge it for me is Fury Road. That's a shame it can't crack your top 10. I think whatever list you compile I'll keep saying this movie is better than most.
Agreed, it's easily in my top 5. I'm surprised if it isn't in his top 10, just based on reviews.
I don't think the similarities to the first movie is supposed to be subtle. This movie is the passing of the torch from the old heroes to the new and thus it had the same nods. It's safe to say Rian Johnson has penned a completely different story than what has been seen before in the franchise.
Another bearded man. Welcome to the fold dude.
as someone who on a show on this very site said some very harsh things about ROTJ i had to drop by and say...i turned my cynicism off, sat back and for the running time felt like a kid again. i'm sure when the blu-ray comes out i'll get all nitpicky but for now...kinda luved it
So probably going to be that one guy on this but I honestly felt that this movie was more a remake of A New Hope with better acting and modern politics thrown in than a movie in its own right. I was mostly bored throughout the movie as a result and preferred the prequel trilogy because at least I felt something watching those. I wanted Jar Jar back in this film to give me an emotional high. All I could do was sit there though and be constantly reminded of a more adventurous movie that my dad took me to see a rescreening of in theaters 33 years ago. This was really a dull watch for me. Not the 6 year old beside me though so I guess I'm just getting old. Everything in the new movie was really predictable and I didn't appreciate the restoring of the status quo for the setting or the extra drawn out scenes.
There were little funny moments and I liked the new Storm Trooper armor design but overall it felt like a very by the numbers film to me. I went in with no expectations and got rewarded with something that looked like a hollow soulless remake of an the Star Wars movies I went to see in theaters as a child. So yeah, despite that this is from an acting perspective and probably a technical one the best Star Wars movie I've ever seen, it is by far the one I enjoyed the least beyond the prequels, beyond the Ewok movies if you remember those, beyond the Droids TV movie, and I got more laughs out of the Holiday special.
This is not getting into the many, MANY pacing problems with the movie including the convenient evolution of the characters but I take it as something of the times now that ability is given to protagonists when needed not earned or learned. I guess I'm just not the target audiance for this stuff. More power to ya'll that enjoyed it. For me it was really dull, predictable and unadventuresome. So yeah, episode 1 has finally been displaced as my least enjoyed Star Wars film.
I failed to see any "modern politics" in this movie.
Sounds like something you've just made up in your head.
Coming out of this film, I knew that I loved it, like REALLY loved it. But I didn't have much to say about initially. In fact, I couldn't find anything to say at all for a while. A few day later, I figured out why that was:
You know how our parents talk about the original Star Wars as "THAT MOVIE"? As the movie that kind of defined themselves, their generation? That's the feeling I have about this movie.
I love the original trilogy with all my heart, and Jurassic Park is my favorite movie of all time. But neither of those movies have ever made me feel the way The Force Awakens did. And it has solidified what I've thought for a long time: Jurassic Park is my favorite movie, Lord of the Rings is my favorite trilogy, and Star Wars is my favorite franchise. I love this movie, and I can't wait for the sequels.
Dave you fat fucking piece of fucking cunt, thanks for the spoilers you anal pus
Finally saw this!
1stly i dunno why people get pissed at brad & company for giving out spoilers when that's something they've always done. by now you should know this, i didn't watch it until i went & saw it last nite. but than i also watched his spoof and that was also covered in spoilers as well. well i fucking loved the film
i just hate what happend to Hon. it really did not need to happen at all. and i also don't hate the prequels like many seem to. i don't hate phantom Menance either. it's not a great film but it's not the worst thing i've ever seen either. attack of the clones i kinda like but it's got it's flaws to as they all do. and Revenge of the sith is the best one of the prequels i think.
I grew up with the prequels. But even as a kid I hated them. They seemed to suck all the magic and charm out of the original movies. I was 4 when Phantom Menence came out and watched it when I was around 6. I hated it so much I didn't even ask my parents to see attack of the clones or revenge of the sith and I still haven't seen them till this day. I walked in to the force awakens with managed expectations. It was an odd experience for me. I had never seen a star wars movie in the theater, and I was with my girlfriend of which had never seen any of the movies until the day before when we marathoned all 3 of them. I'd say that the force awakens is a 70% of a good movie. I hated Adam Driver as the villain. He looked like a kid in a costume. Which I know is sort of the point, but he looked less "Angsty Teenager" and more nerd that I would see playing with lightsabers in the park. Furthermore I hated how they killed off Han Solo. Not that they killed him off, but more so the scene in question. Han always seemed like a character who would go out in a blaze of glory. Not passively the way that he did. It seemed so against his character that it tainted the entire film for me.