Let's Talk 24: "Dun Dun DUUUN"

7/15/2014

After the big 24: Live Another Day finale, Brad talks about the last episode and the 2nd half of the season as a whole.

Michael

7/15/2014 01:46:16 am

I saw that it was the last episode last night and got all excited to see this. Not up yet. My hopes were dashed. I'll just sit here and wait patiently.

Chris92

7/15/2014 02:27:48 am

Man you gave a merciless beating to this series and even if I agree with your criticisms (endless repetition of the formula, crossing suspension of disbelief) I just can't hate 24. I can't. Even if it's shittiest moments I find it to be entertaining and I personally found this season to a pretty solid and consistent season that wasn't sidetracked by annoying sub-plots all the time. I sure as hell take this one over Season 6 and 8, that's for goddamn sure!

Alyxx link

7/15/2014 02:56:23 am

So basically what we can learn from this series are two things:
Don't fuck with Kiefer Sutherland.
Don't ever trust Michael Wincott.

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7/15/2014 03:16:23 am

Our record was six season one episodes in one day, followed by the new season two episode. Those were optimistic times.

Stulte

7/15/2014 03:17:37 am

Me, three minutes ago:

Wait there's a show called let's talk? How did I miss the first 23 episodes?

Me, one minute ago:

Oh.

LucasChad

7/15/2014 03:18:13 am

Hey Brad, have you checked out last Sunday night's series premiere of Guillermo Del Toro's The Strain? I like to think of it as a mix of Nosferatu with the Del Toro feel of Hellboy and Pacific Rim. If you ever want to see vampires on TV scary again, this is the show you have to watch!

89technical

7/15/2014 03:27:30 am

No worries about spoilers Brad. The whole reason I'm watching this is so that I don't end up getting obligated to 24.

But you're right. There needs to be differentiation in show mechanics if they're going to keep their audience from lynching them.

Although it seems to be the case that you guys will watch whatever they write simply because you have to get through it, so, good on them?

fardmuhammad

7/15/2014 04:52:25 am

"Wake the bitch up." Line of the year.

Fard Muhammad

7/15/2014 05:01:31 am

There was a slight reference to O'Brien and Wincott being in a relationship when she stayed behind to help Jack when everyone else in the faux-Wikileaks group are about to leave. Wincott says "I love you, Chloe." Which is minor, but it's something.

brent lonkey

7/15/2014 04:52:38 am

you know, in the early stages of die hard 5, it was planned as a crossover with jack bauer. was going to be called Die Hard 24/7.

Ben

7/15/2014 05:02:26 am

When I see these videos, I ALWAYS think that I'm encountering the 24th episode of a series called Let's Talk that I haven't known about until now.

Angelique_SP

7/15/2014 05:38:42 am

Ha....that description of the Russian makes me think they got the idea for him from that Nintendo game Karnov.

pompeius magnus

7/15/2014 06:16:53 am

Awwww Lloyd want's to hang out with his daddeh

Jordan

7/15/2014 10:21:46 am

I ended up really liking this season. Sure, there was some dumb shit that happened, but I still liked it overall.

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7/15/2014 10:38:53 am

The only time I have seen Michael Wincott NOT play an outright villain was opposite Eric Bogosian in "Talk Radio." Every other time, The Crow, Strange Days, The Count of Monté Cristo, Along Came A Spider, Alien: Resurrection, yeah, he's a dead-to-rights villain.

Also, in Death Wish IV, Paul Kersey is actually hired by someone else to exact revenge for him, and that's probably because they thought pushing the original concept to four films was getting strained. Then, they made Death Wish V: The Face of Death, and decided why the hell not do the same old thing.

LloydFan

7/15/2014 11:13:26 am

I got bored of 24 about 20 minutes into the very first episode.
I've got a few minutes of here and there, and never understood why it was so popular.
Seems boring as hell.

BrokeBloke

7/15/2014 11:36:31 am

Aw come on, the second half was WAY better than the first half :D

Can't say I disagree with a single point here. The entire final episode alone was just 24 cliches. Russians taking Jack = Chinese taking Jack. Audrey = Teri. Jack for Chloe = Jane for Michelle or Jack for Behrooz. Jack going nuts over Audrey = Jack going nuts over Renee. There wasn't a single original frame in that ep.

But guys, you gotta switch your brains off. This isn't like Transformers where it sucks too much that you can't do it. 24 still has enough going for it that suspension of logic and disbelief is easy. I feel like these reviews are a bit too negative just because Brad's looking at it from a reviewer perspective. And I love hearing it, don't get me wrong, you can poke a logic hole in literally every single scene since Day 1. But it's still good enough that if you leave your brain out by the door, you'll actually find it surprisingly more enjoyable. I know you shouldn't have to do something like that, but to me, this is a rare show where turning the logic switch on and off actually makes a world of difference.

TLDR: Be stupid once in a while :p

Brad

7/15/2014 01:38:33 pm

You're talking to someone who recommended seeing Transformers 4 for sheer stupidity, and who watches Godfrey Ho and Andy Sidaris movies in my down time. Saying that I "need to shut my brain off" is like telling me how to eat a White Castle slider.

This isn't a reviewer perspective, this was the perspective of someone who has watched the show for over 8 years, started out as a hardcore fan, and not a single original thing has been done to salvage it in this miniseries. And believe it or not, I went into this miniseries with incredible high hopes.

Every single season of 24 is turn off the brain entertainment, but that doesn't mean it gets a free pass. The seasons of 24 that worked, worked because they still had a story and a set of characters that were worth giving a shit about, and that made it suspenseful because you actually cared what was going on. President Palmer was a great character, President Logan is one of the best TV villains in history, Season 5 as a whole was fantastic television, and it wasn't simply because "oh, I turned my brain off, so that means it's good." It actually had writing and characters that carried the far fetched nature of it, and a story I hadn't seen done a million times in the show.

And in terms of the gimmick and the over the top nature of it, what was once fresh is now stale after 8+ years. It's not a lot to ask for some freshness to be added to a show that continues to do everything wrong that got it cancelled in the first place.

BrokeBloke

7/16/2014 10:33:54 am

Wait, you actually recommended Transformers 4 (sorry, I didn't have time to finish that review)? Goddamn it Michael Bay, you broke the Snob! :p

Don't get me wrong, this season was still repetitive and all. But I guess my expectations were much lower. I did think Jack was more badass than ever, he straight up threw a chick out a window and magically out-drove a drone and chopped a dude's head off (even if he did that before, though we got a samurai sword instead of a hacksaw). That's what we watch 24 for for for for for for for for: Plenty of Jack being Jack and everyone else following him, and I think they delivered on that.

I'm not saying "turn off brain means it's good" or anything like that. I'm just saying it's always been stupid on some level, especially after Season 5. It is more stale than ever, but the last couple of seasons were stale too, to be fair. Hell, looking at the credits this year, I think they're still using all of the exact same writers since like 10 years ago. So I've personally reached a point of just not giving a damn anymore.

At least it's half a season. I'd be scared to be in the same room if you had to sit through a full 24 eps of this shit :O

Jeff Jacobson

7/15/2014 02:01:29 pm

I was hoping the cougar would be in a crate on the ship at the end and get loose.

Craig

7/16/2014 02:53:45 am

It technically doesn't count but didn't Jack also go nuts at the end of season one when he thought Kim died? Also a cliche is that Jack does go overkill on his revenge for the most part, except that usually meant he shot them at point blank until he was out of ammo.

Brad

7/16/2014 05:42:19 am

You're right. I completely forgot about that. Jack did go on full on wrath mode when Nina told him that Kim had died.

Dark Jaguar

7/15/2014 02:36:45 pm

Ya want some Kiefer Sutherland? Well, short as it is, play Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes. It's a twist, this time torture is BAD! Yeah, I'd get a cheap used copy, because it IS short, but if you want more of that guy but without the terrible story problems of 24, try the completely different terrible story problems of Metal Gear!

(I kid a little, actually they've massively scaled back the ridiculously long cutscenes the series had gained such notoriety for, and frankly this is a pretty good story.)

It's got aliens! No seriously, there's a few "what if" campaigns where you play as a cyborg from the future fighting body snatchers (and finding them with special glasses, "They Live" style). Say what you will about Hideo Kojima, but the man's got a sense of humor.

Seppo

7/15/2014 05:54:46 pm

Yeah, and Phantom Pain look fucking hard core. Although GZ was basically a glorified demo/DLC, it still was one of the most fun I've had sneaking in a long time.

Dark Jaguar

7/16/2014 08:11:45 am

Indeed, fun stuff. Lots are upset at David Hayter retiring from the role, but I'd say Kiefer is a good choice for replacement, even if his style is rather different (his "Kept ya waiting, huh?" line is awkward mainly because the line only really works for the "hammier" style of grizzled Snake Pliskin styled David).

So the basic premise of Ground Zeroes is you are breaking into not-Guantanimo Bay to rescue two specific prisoners being held and tortured there. Things don't go well once you start listening to those audio tapes...

Dark Jaguar

7/16/2014 04:07:21 pm

Oh deary me, I forgot one little thing I noticed in your review! So, the premise is some nutcase blew some stuff up, Russia has half a mind to retaliate, but the US has one day to prove it's innocence by finding the one responsible?

That's Metal Gear Solid 3, only not quite as stupid. For one, the person responsible is actually FROM the US, a soldier to be specific, so Russia's actually got a reason to blame the US. For twofers, it's not just someone trying to make China the only remaining superpower (China really doesn't win the nuclear war game, no one does), it's an actual detailed reason, and the soldier responsible is actually connected to the agent they send in to kill her (she trained him and now he's the only one who can take her down, that sort of thing). Also, lots and lots of sadomasochism on the part of a few Russian soldiers.

Ahri Man

7/15/2014 05:22:46 pm

It seems to be a thing now. First Cercei was thrown out of a Window in Dredd, and now Lady Stark is thrown out a Window in 24.

trikucian

7/15/2014 10:21:56 pm

I watched 24 when it first premiered. Even as a kid in junior high I couldn't stand the format and thought it was stupid. I was so pissed when Fox decided to keep this dumb show and cancel Firefly. At least they made Prison Break a few years later, and that's one of my favorite TV shows of the 00s.

Danielito™

7/16/2014 04:00:57 am

I am a huge fan of this show. I agree that this is a bunch of stuff that we've seen before and I said to myself before it started: "if they give me the same thing, I don't care" because at its lowest point, I still think this is a great show, but yeah, we've seen it all before: the magical hacking device, the mole, the sleasy chief of staff, blah blah blah. At some point in the season Jack says to Hannah McKay that he dismantled some sort of human trafficking ring or something like that. I wish they did that, just change the whole terrorist thing, do something different, forget about World War 3, about terrorist plots, moles, etc.

Anyway, I still enjoyed it because I love the character so much, but it left me asking for something radically different. And as far as I'm concerned, they should've given him a happy ending, that actually would've been a surprise after him losing all but his pet fish every year. Give him the World Medal of Honor, retire him, happy ending with Audrey, goodbye show forever.

Get ready for Season 10 haha.

Nick

7/16/2014 11:29:38 am

This particular season left me pretty numb. Other than making snide comments to the tv I didn't really care one way or another. It does have some fun moments but not enough of them to make me want to see anymore 24 if they keep going this route.

Personally, if I had to do another season I'd have it be about Christopher Walken assembling a team that includes Reb Brown and Dolph Lundgren to free Bauer (causing chaos along the way). In the end hey get away and drink beer in Germany.

Then the next season they would have to go up against mutant ninjas who kidnap the president.
Then if they wanted to

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mawzedd

7/28/2014 03:33:19 am

I think the reason so many people die and plots rehash on 24 is that Sutherland is difficult to work with. Ask Freddie Prinze.

https://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/freddy-prinze-jr-kiefer-sutherland-24-unprofessional-quit-acting-155438558.html

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